Red Snow

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Red Snow

Postby raasnio » Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:50 pm

Discuss the novel Red Snow with fellow Sladists...
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Postby EZ Rhino » Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:51 pm

Avacomovitch's dying words:

Die frame gate? I got 'diaphragm'. Was gate the last word? What was he trying to say?? Driving me up da wall? A little help?
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Postby Mbwun » Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:10 pm

I thought DeClerq figured out that the word "gate" was him letting them know where he was.
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Postby Slade » Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:23 pm

Yep, Mbwun's right.
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Postby dreab trawets » Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:08 pm

I thought the same as you until i re read the book.
Loved Napoleon as well, gave a little cheer on the train when he did that guys throat.
Now as for the ending.....
Bam, bam, bam, three shots from the same gun, but then a sniper would only need one?

That leaves so many different scenario's for the next book.
I don't think the three main players should of been killed off in this book, but i think it was time for nick.
I love the deaths by ice skates and icicle by the girls. Who knows what seeing her mums death, or killing the mercenary will do to the girl, traumatic events etc.

And we now have Mephisto's back story, in a cage, eating his rotting mum, and being abused by his vietnam flash back dad.

Anybody see that coming?
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Postby Judy » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:04 am

I must say that I would really have loved a longer book (someone gave reference to it being a novella as opposed to a novel :? ) but I guess if you've said everything you wanted to say . . . dragging it out won't improve it.
I was really afraid after getting into it that there wouldn't be any characters left . . . :shock: I see that Slade will have his work cut out for himself in future offerings . . . creating a new cast of characters will allow him room to be more creative . . . but it's still sad to say good-bye to such well-defined characters. Like losing an old friend . . .
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Postby dreab trawets » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:52 am

Maybe we have been spoiled by the previous books, but sometimes it is good to shake the salt pot a little faster, and have the lid fall off.

I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.


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Postby PohlSE » Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:53 am

Slade, I have to ask this:

Did you remember the "Who dies next thread" when you chose Nick and Gill? They were the two who got the most votes so I actually got a bit of a chuckle when I saw they both bit the big one in the same book. I don't remember how Joe ranked, or if he did, (and I'm too lazy to look right now) but the two favorites from that thread getting whacked almost makes it look like an interactive experience.

We all better mind our P's and Q's lest a casual, glib remark kill off someone we're still attached to. :)

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Edited to add:

Ok, I wasn't too lazy and I was wrong!

http://www.specialx.net/specialxbbs/viewtopic.php?t=624

Gill was number 1 but Zinc and 'Other' tied for two with Nick in third!

Still the venom and scorn heaped on Gill in that thread is pretty funny.
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Postby Slade » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:25 am

PohlSE,

Yes, that influenced me. I take in everything from the Board and turn it over in my mind. But where that takes me is anyone's guess. If it sparks an idea, I follow that.

An ongoing character has a "story arc." Some writers keep a character going after his/her arc is complete. The loss of a character shakes the entire cast up, so that's a good thing for the sake of story lines. When I introduced Mephisto, there was some grumbling that he wasn't as deadly as the street punks. And over the years, I've lightened up on the main characters a bit. There comes a time, however, when you must return to basics. You know how I feel about CASINO ROYALE returning to DR. NO. Consequently, RED SNOW gave me the opening to deal with many issues at once.

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Postby raasnio » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:19 am

When I finished Red Snow I understood that the deadly scenarios that played out in the book established Mephisto as the ultimate nemesis of Special X. Now, I also think it follows that this will make the next book featuring him even more interesting. How do the members of Special X deal with him? What other tricks does he have up his sleeves?
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Postby e_taylor » Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:48 pm

(Sorry, not specific to Red Snow per se)


Who else thinks the next character to go is DeClerq?

Not necessarily dead.... but retired maybe? He's been through too much.

Maybe when Kat joins the force and becomes a more prominent character?
We shall see that at which dogs howl in the dark, and that at which cats prick up their ears after midnight. - HP Lovecraft in From Beyond
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Postby dreab trawets » Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:28 pm

Now i would like to think that it would be Mephisto v De clerq in a sort of sherlock v moriarty standoff.
Whether thats at a waterfall, or back at a log cabin is anyones guess.

Chandler should now go out in a blaze of glory, as befits someone who nearly had his penis ripped off.
Enough now please Slade....
I don't think the three will go, too much alter ego spread across the three main characters, the fighter, the thinker, and the madman.

Now, if Katt were to go.....
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Postby raasnio » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:04 pm

dreab trawets wrote:Now i would like to think that it would be Mephisto v De clerq in a sort of sherlock v moriarty standoff.


Agreed, except for the fact that there's no appreciation for Mephisto's talents on the part of our man at Special X.

Unless I've missed something...
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Postby dreab trawets » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:13 am

Deep down i think there must be amazement at what this guy does, or can do if he puts his mind to it on De clerq's part.
And how he keeps on escaping....

Thats if he does, i still have my doubts...
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Postby chaos-consultants » Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:26 am

I am torn between the short and long novel. I will admit that I liked the speed of the novel but since there was so much of the rehashment for the new reader (not a bad thing) but because of that it made the buildup and climax for this novel a little too short for me. I am comparing it to Burnt Bones (My fave novel) in that it carried us and carried us and held us on the edge. In this novel what I did like the most is the twist on the whodunit.

The secretive ways to conceal a body and particularly the twist on the bartender switch did catch me off guard. The whole "frame" thing had a nice Canadian smell to it, which some of us definately find humor in. I liked the frame up for the secretive way to get Mephisto out of town but only wished that there was one more chapter before the pilot was shot!!

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I look forward to that next chapter in how many year's Slade????
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